[F500] AMW engines
Jeff Blumenthal
jblumenthal at bbappliance.com
Mon Jan 19 16:54:42 MST 2004
Yeh Jim, but you've been consistently kicking my ass in Solo and
RR...so don't complain *too* loud.
-Jeff
Jim Libecco wrote:
>We are just a few minutes from one another. He makes me jealous every race
>as we toil away and changing everything over.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: f500-bounces at f500.org [mailto:f500-bounces at f500.org] On Behalf Of fmod
>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 6:30 PM
>To: f500 at f500.org
>Subject: Re: [F500] AMW engines
>
>Well you came to the same conclusion the Jeff Blumenthal did in Ohio!
>
>BobbyJ
>#5 Fmod in NER
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Jim Libecco" <iamuwere at ameritech.net>
>To: <f500 at f500.org>
>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 4:48 PM
>Subject: RE: [F500] AMW engines
>
>
>
>
>>After a few times the gears, wheels, suspension, carbs, steering arms, and
>>brake pads can be done in a matter of many hours and large amounts of
>>cursing that we need a second car...
>>jim
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: f500-bounces at f500.org [mailto:f500-bounces at f500.org] On Behalf Of
>>
>>
>fmod
>
>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 3:23 PM
>>To: f500 at f500.org
>>Subject: Re: [F500] AMW engines
>>
>>Jim, the carbs are the easy part. If that's all it was I would not
>>complain. Changing the front end setup and the gearing here is New
>>
>>
>England
>
>
>>is what would take the most time! I could change the carbs on the grid at
>>
>>
>a
>
>
>>Solo II.
>>
>>BobbyJ
>>#5 Fmod in NER
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Jim Libecco" <iamuwere at ameritech.net>
>>To: <f500 at f500.org>
>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:22 PM
>>Subject: RE: [F500] AMW engines
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>I just went back to the solo book and reread the rules
>>>"rotax engine must use 34mm carbs" No mention of a restriction for the
>>>
>>>
>>AMW.
>>
>>
>>>It actually doesn't specify the use of a the round slide carbs for the
>>>rotax, but I think it is universally assumed from the GCR that they
>>>
>>>
>should
>
>
>>>be vm roundslides.
>>>
>>>The BN carbs on the AMW are 38s but are significantly restricted in the
>>>crazy right angle entry into the intake manifold.
>>>
>>>I would LOVE to not have to change carbs from 34 to 38 and back every
>>>
>>>
>>other
>>
>>
>>>weekend as I go back and forth between sports.
>>>
>>>jim
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: f500-bounces at f500.org [mailto:f500-bounces at f500.org] On Behalf Of
>>>
>>>
>>fmod
>>
>>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 12:11 PM
>>>To: f500 at f500.org
>>>Subject: Re: [F500] AMW engines
>>>
>>>After talking to a few of my fellow Solo II friends running Rotax
>>>
>>>
>engines,
>
>
>>>if the round slide carbs for AMW are to get any support for Solo II,
>>>
>>>
>then
>
>
>>>they must be the 34mm carbs that we are using in Solo II on the Rotax.
>>>This is the only thing that is different on the engine debate. We use
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>same Rotax engine that the road racers do (must run the 34mm carbs) that
>>>
>>>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>why we feel our input is just as important as it is to our road race
>>>brothers and sisters.
>>>
>>> Plus I thought I remember reading a comment before on this site that
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>BN
>>
>>
>>>carbs on the AMW were choked down to 34mm anyway. If the 34mm round
>>>
>>>
>slide
>
>
>>>carbs will not work on the AMW, then all of us must be allowed to use
>>>
>>>
>the
>
>
>>>38mm round slides in Solo II. I have the set that came with my engine
>>>
>>>
>and
>
>
>>>the cost of buying a pair is not going to break any one's Solo II
>>>
>>>
>budget!
>
>
>>>BobbyJ
>>>#5 Fmod in NER
>>>
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jim Libecco" <iamuwere at ameritech.net>
>>>To: <f500 at f500.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:48 AM
>>>Subject: RE: [F500] AMW engines
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Would stepping down to the vm34 roundies be the right step for the
>>>>
>>>>
>AMW?
>
>
>>>>Currently it runs the BN38's for both. That would suggest that the
>>>>
>>>>
>AMW
>
>
>>is
>>
>>
>>>>benefited in solo or hurt in road racing. I never compared them on
>>>>
>>>>
>the
>
>
>>>>engine, but I do know that I hated the BN carbs...
>>>>
>>>>Jim-all I want is to know which engine to buy for next year-Libecco
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: f500-bounces at f500.org [mailto:f500-bounces at f500.org] On Behalf
>>>>
>>>>
>Of
>
>
>>>fmod
>>>
>>>
>>>>Sent: Sunday, January 18, 2004 11:38 AM
>>>>To: f500 at f500.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [F500] AMW engines
>>>>
>>>>Well Jim, you may be correct, see my reply to Blue Race44 that I made
>>>>
>>>>
>>>before
>>>
>>>
>>>>reading your comments.
>>>>It seems to be a lot less trouble to keep the Rotax engine's carbs
>>>>
>>>>
>>working
>>
>>
>>>>than the AMW. That is why I think the AMW people should be allowed to
>>>>
>>>>
>>use
>>
>>
>>>>the same carbs that us Rotax and Kawi people are using. I would take
>>>>
>>>>
>>>these
>>>
>>>
>>>>carbs apart in the woods when riding dirt bikes years ago. I wouldn't
>>>>
>>>>
>>>want
>>>
>>>
>>>>to take a carb from a AMW or a auto apart in the woods.
>>>>
>>>>Lets try to all agree on the 493 Rotax and round slide Makunis for the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>AMW.
>>>
>>>
>>>>But remember 38mm for road racing and 34mm for Solo II for the F500
>>>>
>>>>
>>>engines.
>>>
>>>
>>>>BobbyJ
>>>>#5 Fmod in NER
>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>From: "Jim Libecco" <iamuwere at ameritech.net>
>>>>To: <f500 at f500.org>
>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 11:56 PM
>>>>Subject: RE: [F500] AMW engines
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I ran AMW power for the last two years and never had the engine
>>>>>
>>>>>
>apart.
>
>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>was careful with EGT's and never had problems with the engine. I
>>>>>occasionally drive an AMW powered Phantom when I break my car and I
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>agree
>>>
>>>
>>>>>with all of the other F5 drivers who have spent time in that
>>>>>
>>>>>
>car--it's
>
>
>>>the
>>>
>>>
>>>>>fastest F5 engine around if only the Phantom would stick well enough
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>to
>>
>>
>>>>make
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>the power usable. It's a shame AMW took so long to sort out the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>engine.
>>
>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>admit I love my Rotax now. It has been flawless on the track and in
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>>lots and can't know the same for the AMW, since I only had it on
>>>>>
>>>>>
>track
>
>
>>a
>>
>>
>>>>>couple of times before the conversion with the new car.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you are not a minimum weight with the Kawi, the AMW may be
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>reasonable.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>Some of the X1 guys really helped get the carbs sorted for
>>>>>
>>>>>
>Christina's
>
>
>>>>first
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>championship.
>>>>>
>>>>>jim
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: f500-bounces at f500.org [mailto:f500-bounces at f500.org] On Behalf
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>Of
>>
>>
>>>>fmod
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 9:47 PM
>>>>>To: f500 at f500.org
>>>>>Subject: Re: [F500] AMW engines
>>>>>
>>>>>George, I agree with Art. I came close to buying a AMW. But until
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>they
>>
>>
>>>>>solve the problem with the carbs, they may only be good for boat
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>anchors.
>>>
>>>
>>>>I
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>think they do have protential, but until a few problems are worked
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>out,
>>
>>
>>>I
>>>
>>>
>>>>>would stay away.
>>>>>
>>>>>BobbyJ
>>>>>#5 Fmod in NER
>>>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>>>From: "A. E. Trier" <qre-shadow at juno.com>
>>>>>To: <f500 at f500.org>
>>>>>Cc: <f500 at f500.org>
>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 7:16 PM
>>>>>Subject: Re: [F500] AMW engines
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>George,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The last version of the AMW was much better then the earlier ones.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>You
>>
>>
>>>>>>might want to check which version you may be looking at. They are
>>>>>>basically all the same design but the newer ones corrected
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>problems
>
>
>>>that
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>caused the earlier ones to come unglued. They used the race
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>program
>
>
>>as
>>
>>
>>>a
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>development tool :-(. They tended to lean out in mid range and
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>burn
>
>
>>up
>>
>>
>>>>>>pistons. If you're racing, I'd probably recommend that you stay
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>away
>
>
>>>>from
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>them. If you're autoxing, you have a better chance of keeping it
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>together
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>but..........no guarantees. Very few people are willing now to
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>invest
>>
>>
>>>>the
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>time and money running them. That's why they are usually quite
>>>>>>inexpensive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Art
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 18:30:31 -0500 George Harmuth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>><harmug at us.ibm.com>
>>
>>
>>>>>>writes:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm new to F500s last year was the first time I even knew the
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>class
>>
>>
>>>>>>>existed. My Zink has a kaw 440 in it and I'm looking for a
>>>>>>>competitive
>>>>>>>motor. I've been following the 493/494/raving debate here with
>>>>>>>interest,
>>>>>>>but right now, what looks like a good deal on a AMW motor is in
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>the
>>
>>
>>>>>>>F500
>>>>>>>classifieds. I've heard bad things about the AMW, but nothing
>>>>>>>specific. Is
>>>>>>>any AMW motor evil and not to be touched or was it just certain
>>>>>>>models?
>>>>>>>I've looked in the archives, but there's too much info there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>Can
>
>
>>>>>>>one you
>>>>>>>folks experienced with AMW shine some light on this for me?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks
>>>>>>>mike
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